I'm not sure everyone in a country "knowing" to drive on the same side of the road is an example of a Schelling point -- drivers are trained to do this.
Also not sure if fads, like "everyone orders a flat white", are instances of Schelling points, but that seems more reasonable as a Schelling point than driving on the same side of the road.
More generally, didn't really understand the point of this article. I guess the author is trying to say that as technology improves, people are gaining the ability to customize their experiences. Framing this as "anti-Schelling points" doesn't make sense to me - what shared game is being played? At its most game-like, you could say that people are just trying to maximize their own utility without worrying (or having to worry) about shared economy of scale.
> I'm not sure everyone in a country "knowing" to drive on the same side of the road is an example of a Schelling point -- drivers are trained to do this.
The driving side is usually also the walking side. When I travel to a country with another orientation, I bump into people on the sidewalk or corridors a few times before adjusting. Same on the way back, all without driving a car myself.
in the case of drink orders, there's a slight benefit to ordering something unique (at least unique within the queue you're standing in). you don't have to remember your place in line, or negotiate with someone else about who was there first
the space of possible drink orders isn't so large that you'll be collision-free by default (like UUIDs), so there's some incentive to guess what other people will order, and adjust your order to avoid collisions
> in the case of drink orders, there's a slight benefit to ordering something unique (at least unique within the queue you're standing in). you don't have to remember your place in line, or negotiate with someone else about who was there first
A normally-functioning vendor would call out the completed order by order number, so this problem just can't arise. You can't take someone else's order identical to yours any more than you can take someone else's order for ten times as much food as you purchased.
> I think the variety in barista coffee is different from the variety in, say, fashion or wine because with fashion and wine there is social signalling and all kinds of things going on
Sounds like OP just doesn't care about coffee thst much. Fine for them, but any subject has a subculture; there are definitely social signaling games within the coffee world
1. In principle these are also Schelling points because one aim of Schelling's work was to highlight that multiple focal points are possible (which might or might not be what one hopes for with regards to nuclear weapons, so in contrast, the tipping points should get more attention..)
>His basic idea was that the expected profitability of engaging in corruption depends on its prevalence. The key result of the so-called Schelling diagram is the existence of multiple equilibria and a tipping point.
I wonder if there's merit to discarding ideas based on where they arise from.
Similar thing happened on another hackernews post, author developed a programming paradigm and explained it with his example which consisted of analyzing personal expenses.
Maybe you will discover something profound when thinking about your starbucks coffee or when analyzing your coffee expenses, but if you discard that and it is really important, the thought should pop up some other place where it is more important, like your actual job, or something useful.
The milk preparation is where the barista's skill comes in.
It's much harder to make black coffee so well you'd want a professional for it. I think Glitch Coffee in Tokyo is the only place I've ever been that I've felt is worth it.
(Anti-bonus points to Philz in SV, which has the aesthetic of a specialty coffee place but actually sells Starbucks-style "totally burnt coffee with tons of cream added" products except worse.)
I'm not sure everyone in a country "knowing" to drive on the same side of the road is an example of a Schelling point -- drivers are trained to do this.
Also not sure if fads, like "everyone orders a flat white", are instances of Schelling points, but that seems more reasonable as a Schelling point than driving on the same side of the road.
More generally, didn't really understand the point of this article. I guess the author is trying to say that as technology improves, people are gaining the ability to customize their experiences. Framing this as "anti-Schelling points" doesn't make sense to me - what shared game is being played? At its most game-like, you could say that people are just trying to maximize their own utility without worrying (or having to worry) about shared economy of scale.
> I'm not sure everyone in a country "knowing" to drive on the same side of the road is an example of a Schelling point -- drivers are trained to do this.
The driving side is usually also the walking side. When I travel to a country with another orientation, I bump into people on the sidewalk or corridors a few times before adjusting. Same on the way back, all without driving a car myself.
Although the driving side isn't a Schelling point, the walking direction matching the driving direction is.
The point is you can talk about game theory if you make everything about game theory.
in the case of drink orders, there's a slight benefit to ordering something unique (at least unique within the queue you're standing in). you don't have to remember your place in line, or negotiate with someone else about who was there first
the space of possible drink orders isn't so large that you'll be collision-free by default (like UUIDs), so there's some incentive to guess what other people will order, and adjust your order to avoid collisions
“I have a flat white for Steve” is comedy gold at a crowded starbucks.
> in the case of drink orders, there's a slight benefit to ordering something unique (at least unique within the queue you're standing in). you don't have to remember your place in line, or negotiate with someone else about who was there first
A normally-functioning vendor would call out the completed order by order number, so this problem just can't arise. You can't take someone else's order identical to yours any more than you can take someone else's order for ten times as much food as you purchased.
Strongly disagree with this:
> I think the variety in barista coffee is different from the variety in, say, fashion or wine because with fashion and wine there is social signalling and all kinds of things going on
Sounds like OP just doesn't care about coffee thst much. Fine for them, but any subject has a subculture; there are definitely social signaling games within the coffee world
What’s with all the flags hovering round the page? Very distracting, worse than most adverts.
Other readers' cursors. You can turn that off with the 'quiet mode' toggle in the upper right.
1. In principle these are also Schelling points because one aim of Schelling's work was to highlight that multiple focal points are possible (which might or might not be what one hopes for with regards to nuclear weapons, so in contrast, the tipping points should get more attention..)
2. As for attractive continuums
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1007/s10957-013-0420-7
>His basic idea was that the expected profitability of engaging in corruption depends on its prevalence. The key result of the so-called Schelling diagram is the existence of multiple equilibria and a tipping point.
I wonder if there's merit to discarding ideas based on where they arise from.
Similar thing happened on another hackernews post, author developed a programming paradigm and explained it with his example which consisted of analyzing personal expenses.
Maybe you will discover something profound when thinking about your starbucks coffee or when analyzing your coffee expenses, but if you discard that and it is really important, the thought should pop up some other place where it is more important, like your actual job, or something useful.
P.S: Highly memorable background
Wtf is that background
Voronoi centers!
Just sell black coffee and let the customer add in other stuff if they want it
The milk preparation is where the barista's skill comes in.
It's much harder to make black coffee so well you'd want a professional for it. I think Glitch Coffee in Tokyo is the only place I've ever been that I've felt is worth it.
(Anti-bonus points to Philz in SV, which has the aesthetic of a specialty coffee place but actually sells Starbucks-style "totally burnt coffee with tons of cream added" products except worse.)
> Anti-bonus points to Philz in SV
Oh, we're going to make this personal??? Fine. In that case:
The Brewed Awakenings chain in Rhode Island has really good coffee. And a great atmosphere compared to please-leave places like Starbucks.
There, I said it.
> Oh, we're going to make this personal???
Personal? Are you Phil??
this is the other solution: it doesn't really matter if the queue is a bit out of order, if they all get the same thing with little delay
People don't go to those places for a plain black coffee.
I do
Why?